tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post116558010083063020..comments2024-02-24T09:14:44.403+00:00Comments on The Poor Mouth: Fashion Victimsjams o donnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165657147484726472006-12-09T09:39:00.000+00:002006-12-09T09:39:00.000+00:00We are not talking about Haiti here but Bangladesh...We are not talking about Haiti here but Bangladesh. True the factories may well be sited in palces of big unemployment but it is still no reason to offer starvation wages and appalling conditions.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165654679827900392006-12-09T08:57:00.000+00:002006-12-09T08:57:00.000+00:00I worked in his industry the whole story is not be...I worked in his industry the whole story is not being told. Many of these factories are in places that have chronic unemployment. <BR/><BR/>The critics would point to low Haitian wages. However, a fashion company doing work in Haiti with the political instability is taking an enormous risk.<BR/>These countries also have large issues with corruption.<BR/><BR/>Why should a fashion company take a risk by placing production in Haiti with the rampant political problems, massive corruption and a variety of logistical problems. It is far easier and safer to produce in China.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165620121541169932006-12-08T23:22:00.000+00:002006-12-08T23:22:00.000+00:00The problem, mullet, is finding a solution that wi...The problem, mullet, is finding a solution that will work. Despite being being on the left I don't necessarily have confidence in politics to make the change..<BR/><BR/>You are right to say people are people. We have the same motivations loves, hates etc regardless of nationality. Wherever we are, we are much the same.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165612867689807362006-12-08T21:21:00.000+00:002006-12-08T21:21:00.000+00:00It is a jam, a dilemma and many other things Mulle...It is a jam, a dilemma and many other things Mullet.<BR/><BR/>THe same follows here. Most Made in Britain garments are high end eg Church's shoes etc. We do what we can, Steve. In this case waer clothes to destruction like I do and like you do!<BR/><BR/>I dont hold out much hope for a "socialist" governmetn in Bangladesh to do much to help.. it it is of the same stripe as China and Vietnam.. Neither is adverse to sweatshops in their countries.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165605947286432792006-12-08T19:25:00.000+00:002006-12-08T19:25:00.000+00:00I can't speak for the UK, but the US has let its d...I can't speak for the UK, but the US has let its domestic clothing industry go to ground almost completely, except for makers of very expensive custom clothing. And not everything sold here with the label "Made in the USA" really is what it claims, so we can't be certain that even the US's minimal labor laws ("more honoured in the breach than the observance") were followed.<BR/><BR/>It is a dilemma. All of us must find something we can afford to wear, or else follow in Sonia-belle's footsteps... she does not contribute to the problem. But most of us are bound by the social conventions of our neighbors. I have thought often about this problem, but have never come up with a satisfactory solution; the best I can do is to wear such clothes as I do buy until they are literally worn out.Steve Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587223243120009776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165600328747085902006-12-08T17:52:00.000+00:002006-12-08T17:52:00.000+00:00Again that is another issue ewbl, ethics come with...Again that is another issue ewbl, ethics come with a price tag. My work shoes are British made - one pair cost nearly £200 and that was 10 years ago. That said they will last decades.<BR/><BR/>Shame? it is a dilemma rather than shame. If money is tight do you go to a shop that sells shirts a £5 or one that sells them af £40?jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165595325899883372006-12-08T16:28:00.000+00:002006-12-08T16:28:00.000+00:00My Papi was on a kick to buy only clothing made in...My Papi was on a kick to buy only clothing made in the U.S.A to ensure that slave labor wasn't being used. I told Papi that we'll either have to win the lottery or become nudists to do that because the "Made In The U.S.A" label is scarce and expensive.<BR/><BR/>If we ever go to war with China, we'll have to do it in barefeet since they supply the lions share of American shoes. Mostly in factories with reprehensible conditions. Shame on Nike(for one), and shame on me for buying them when they go on sale.elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165592925364805372006-12-08T15:48:00.000+00:002006-12-08T15:48:00.000+00:00Good point Pete, it is a tough one indeedGood point Pete, it is a tough one indeedjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165591128952623122006-12-08T15:18:00.000+00:002006-12-08T15:18:00.000+00:00I don't know - a boycott (causing drop in demand) ...I don't know - a boycott (causing drop in demand) may also put Bangladeshi factory workers out of a job. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile other brands (say) sourced from China, may take over.<BR/><BR/>Its a tough one.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165590416859367832006-12-08T15:06:00.000+00:002006-12-08T15:06:00.000+00:00I think the drip, drip, drip is likely to be the m...I think the drip, drip, drip is likely to be the more successful of the two Gert. A boycott proably would be ineffectual even if desirable.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-1165587862905515122006-12-08T14:24:00.000+00:002006-12-08T14:24:00.000+00:00The simple answer is to try and organise a mass bo...The simple answer is to try and organise a mass boycott of such companies.<BR/><BR/>But that would also need information on what alternative sources are available for affordable clothes, with cast iron guarantees on the ethics of the manufacturers. <BR/><BR/>Also persuading people, often on tight budgets, that it's right to pay more for clothes (and toys, tat etc).<BR/><BR/>What we can do is keep talking about it. Like a drip drip drip effectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com