tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post98554341390140463..comments2024-02-24T09:14:44.403+00:00Comments on The Poor Mouth: Forgiving Mengelejams o donnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-33091913654977929972009-10-17T15:22:24.036+01:002009-10-17T15:22:24.036+01:00Ah Thanks again for the link to you review. I will...Ah Thanks again for the link to you review. I will see if I can get hold of the book here in Englandjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-80228558037501482972009-10-17T14:58:50.969+01:002009-10-17T14:58:50.969+01:00no problem! i actually reviewed eva's book ech...no problem! <a href="http://wp.me/pCINY-7M" rel="nofollow">i actually reviewed eva's book <i>echoes from auschwitz</i></a> on my blog this week...keeping the flame of truth alight for future generations, so they can join our refrain, "Never Again!"CMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05030180805789592988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-80688919175460587442009-09-14T18:04:30.484+01:002009-09-14T18:04:30.484+01:00Wow Chris that must have been a wonderful meeting....Wow Chris that must have been a wonderful meeting.<br /><br />Thanks for the link to Never Againjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-62936075767863964252009-09-14T17:29:35.638+01:002009-09-14T17:29:35.638+01:00I WAS THERE! at eva's 75th birthday celebratio...I WAS THERE! at eva's 75th birthday celebration...after checking out eva's film at the local library, i was shocked to find out that she lived just an hour's drive from my hometown...we had a blast! and eva is a sweetheart extraordinaire!!!<br /><br />thanks for sharing her story here on your blog...i have links to eva's museum from my blog, too, at <a href="http://holokauston.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow"><i>Never Again!</i></a>CMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05030180805789592988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-31730651785030008482009-01-28T07:55:00.000+00:002009-01-28T07:55:00.000+00:00THanks Ren. Glad you liked it. I am particularly l...THanks Ren. Glad you liked it. I am particularly looking forward to seeing the Reader. Schlink's novel was excellent<BR/><BR/>I agree jmb. A remarkable woman<BR/><BR/>Claudia, Bobble I am glad you found her as remarkable as I didjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-73289674773247483572009-01-28T07:28:00.000+00:002009-01-28T07:28:00.000+00:00What a fascinating tale -- and what a remarkable w...What a fascinating tale -- and what a remarkable woman.<BR/><BR/>BobbieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-82642607388881812732009-01-28T05:49:00.000+00:002009-01-28T05:49:00.000+00:00Sent here by Omnium. Eva Kor is an extraordinary, ...Sent here by Omnium. Eva Kor is an extraordinary, shiny lady. Hard to believe that those terrible experiments were carried on. I'm grateful that it's documented by the survivors. Some comments have much depth. Thank you for giving us a beautiful forgiveness story. Not sure I could have walked in her steps. But it's uplifting to know she exists. A triumph of the human spirit.Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04307495672130972111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-17801764265834678682009-01-28T04:57:00.000+00:002009-01-28T04:57:00.000+00:00A very remarkable woman indeed. How sad that she ...A very remarkable woman indeed. How sad that she is shunned by other survivors. While maybe they could not do what she did, they should not condemn her for it.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13563252743976699923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-9202005804465911002009-01-28T03:09:00.000+00:002009-01-28T03:09:00.000+00:00Redwine: Where have you been? I miss you.That was...Redwine: Where have you been? I miss you.<BR/><BR/>That was an incredible post. Combined with Betmo's comment, it is really moving.<BR/><BR/>I think you would like two movies that are out now, <I>The Reader</I> and <I>The Defiance</I>.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-83129590462771023872009-01-27T23:08:00.000+00:002009-01-27T23:08:00.000+00:00It was a "traditional" bishop that returned to the...It was a "traditional" bishop that returned to the church. He is utterly wrong.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-55062743849506383432009-01-27T20:46:00.000+00:002009-01-27T20:46:00.000+00:00Family James?It is certainly something that would ...Family James?<BR/><BR/>It is certainly something that would be hard to attain. No doubt about that Pamelajams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-57712223991788208172009-01-27T20:28:00.000+00:002009-01-27T20:28:00.000+00:00this story really touched my heart.I don't know if...this story really touched my heart.<BR/>I don't know if I could forgive. Forgiveness is just a Godly thing -- who can rise to it?Pamelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404943895800549273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-78997675469064117962009-01-27T14:25:00.000+00:002009-01-27T14:25:00.000+00:00I have a family photo with Mengele and it's so har...I have a family photo with Mengele and it's so hard to see them as monsters.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-29183741354440197052009-01-27T07:40:00.000+00:002009-01-27T07:40:00.000+00:00A lot to ponder Sean. I am grateful to everyone wh...A lot to ponder Sean. I am grateful to everyone who has commentedjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-21662962425475909022009-01-26T22:23:00.000+00:002009-01-26T22:23:00.000+00:00Yes. What a decison! Given that 'love means forgiv...Yes. What a decison! <BR/>Given that 'love means forgiveness: I could certainly not love individuals like Mengele.<BR/>Thus, lots to deeply ponder about, last not least fjb's words.<BR/>The peace of the night.Sean Jeatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978285783271305489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-33989219675540643782009-01-26T22:06:00.000+00:002009-01-26T22:06:00.000+00:00Thanks fj. Glad you liked it KayThanks fj. Glad you liked it Kayjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-71244267064656243152009-01-26T22:03:00.000+00:002009-01-26T22:03:00.000+00:00I would rather forgive those who hurt me than let ...I would rather forgive those who hurt me than let bitterness and hatred consume me. I've seen what the latter has done to people and I've chosen the former. Perhaps that's what Eva has done. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing this with us, Jams.Kay Dennisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02646717192332313215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-21263122242270905222009-01-26T19:00:00.000+00:002009-01-26T19:00:00.000+00:00"I guess too much forgiveness going around."I'm be..."I guess too much forgiveness going around."<BR/><BR/>I'm beg to differ. There isn't enough. As the child of a survivor, I can tell you right now that betmo is absolutely right: Forgiveness is for the victim. It does not mean we ever forget. <BR/><BR/>Lack of forgiveness and hanging on to the pain and trauma is the core of the distrust, paranoia, hate and fear that is so pervasive in the Jewish consciousness, particularly those survivors who ended up in Israel. <BR/><BR/>I too was raised with the Spartan Jew war cry of "Never Again!". Sadly, for us that only applies to us. I finally completely forgave in 1995, my mother never has and unfortunately, never will. I see the human atrocities inflicted upon the Palestinian people for the last 60 years, and more recently the horror in Gaza; my mother sees only Israeli self-defense and glorious victory. She still tells me not to ever trust an Arab or a German. This is the reality of never forgiving.fjbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13120081721262176259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-82056581771347841442009-01-26T18:57:00.000+00:002009-01-26T18:57:00.000+00:00Wolfoe, my father is a WWII vet too - he was a Pat...Wolfoe, my father is a WWII vet too - he was a Pathfinder but he never bore any malice towards the Germans. For him it was what he did. Then again, coming from a neutral state his family and firends did not suffer at the hands of the Reichjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-42097186776572886792009-01-26T18:56:00.000+00:002009-01-26T18:56:00.000+00:00What a remarkable woman. I believe she did the rig...What a remarkable woman. I believe she did the right thing it allowed her to live and move on.CherryPiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11788084724907992076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-77955265158079307282009-01-26T18:55:00.000+00:002009-01-26T18:55:00.000+00:00Thanks for all of your comments. I don't think Eva...Thanks for all of your comments. I don't think Eva was forgiving on behalf of anyone but herself. That in itself must (as it sounded) been a huge release for her. I would not criticie anyone who couldn't forgive - I doubt I could at alljams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-88990752931358054422009-01-26T17:38:00.000+00:002009-01-26T17:38:00.000+00:00I know I couldn't but I do admire her.I know I couldn't but I do admire her.Welshcakes Limoncellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17209759237794290941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-86935177439945711322009-01-26T17:12:00.000+00:002009-01-26T17:12:00.000+00:00She had that right, yes. But it would be utter per...She had that right, yes. But it would be utter perversion, to forgive in the name of the victims. I guess too much forgiveness going around.Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-69054649917509113042009-01-26T15:41:00.000+00:002009-01-26T15:41:00.000+00:00Forgiveness is an intensely personal thing and can...Forgiveness is an intensely personal thing and cannot be given on anyone's behalf, contrary to the machinations of many politicians.<BR/><BR/>My Father was a WW2 veteran and he forgave the Nazis because he got to see the price the German people paid for following Hitler. He saw the bodies of 16 year-old boys sent to the front-line to be mashed by allied bombardment, the corpses of German POWS who died of Typhus and starvation piled as high as huts and heard gruesome stories of what the Red Army did to German civilians. He forgave, said they paid enough for following the wrong fool.<BR/><BR/>Whatever these elderly people went through they still managed to have a life after the war.<BR/><BR/>Many did not.Wolfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05820269114208456064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19492813.post-11286169489240786582009-01-26T13:13:00.000+00:002009-01-26T13:13:00.000+00:00people misunderstand what forgiveness is- it's for...people misunderstand what forgiveness is- it's for the victim. eva said that it felt like a weight had been lifted-- for her. forgiveness isn't letting the perpetrators off the hook or forgetting what they have done- it is letting go of the hatred and poisonous feelings and emotions that only harm us.<BR/><BR/>and even so- i don't know that i would have the strength to do that. she is a courageous woman indeed.billiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206096509976316141noreply@blogger.com